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PostSubject: The Drug Thread   Tue May 05, 2009 7:38 pm

Well, this is normally a fairly controversial issue on the entire drug debate. Basically, are you for the legalization of some drugs? In most cases marijuana is the drug people are ok with being legalized. So what are your thoughts on drugs?

Personally, I've taken a couple of Adderall lately. Never smoked weed though, I'm sure I will shortly though.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Tue May 05, 2009 8:03 pm

I think all drugs should be legalized making an exception for the hardcore ones, freedom of choice. I've tried hallucinogens, I've tried weed, I've drank alcohol, I've honestly have had no negative effects from any of them - they're called recreational drugs for a reason. This may sound like hippie bullshit but after my first DXM trip I felt more alive and became more content with myself which lead to me concentrating no things that mattered to me. Weed is great and should be legalized, we all know the argument behind that.

If it were my choice all psychedelic drugs would be legalized, if used correctly and responsibly they can be of extremely large benefit, but that's just based on my experiences.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Tue May 05, 2009 8:20 pm

I personally think if alchohol and tobacco is legal then marijuana should be aswell. Those two are much more deadly than marijuana has proved to be. I think it's even been proven that marajuana can help with certain sickness such as cancer. Marijuana has never proved deadly as far as I know? Surely someone will say "What if someone got high and drove and killed someone?" People drink and drive, and marijuana is much more likely to make you chilled and relaxed and not want to drive, from what I know. I think making marijuana and certain other drugs legal would really cut down on crimes and such activites. Although, I can say all drugs would be ok to be legal as it's a choice you as a person should make if you want to do those things. Then again I'm totally against all drugs being legal due too the fact addiction numbers would climb way higher.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Tue May 05, 2009 11:36 pm

No one in their right mind would push for the legalization of shit like PCP, crack, and meth. The only drugs I could justify having legalized is ecstasy, psychedelics, and grass. If not abused, all of those can be used in moderation with little ill consequence. People blow the whole drug issue way out of proportion if you ask me. In fact, I think if you did legalize certain drugs, you'd see the usage of other drugs drop.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 12:17 am

The only drug I could see being legalized would be weed.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 7:34 am

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The only drugs I could justify having legalized is ecstasy, psychedelics, and grass. If not abused, all of those can be used in moderation with little ill consequence. People blow the whole drug issue way out of proportion if you ask me. In fact, I think if you did legalize certain drugs, you'd see the usage of other drugs drop.

This is totaly wrong, except for grass, ecstasy and psychedelics are dangerous, very addictive and potential deadly on first time use.
Back in the day I worked at a radiostation that where part of a program that helped drug users, drug addicts and alcoholics getting back to normal life.
I met several teenagers that basically had ruined their life on doing ecstacy and psychedelics. In most cases they couldn't be called addicts as they only had taken drugs two or three times.

One of those people became one of my friends and he's still paying the price from the two or three times he did ecstacy 11 years ago.
He got a minor brain damage from doing ecstacy, making it hard for him to concentrate and remember things. He needs medication to deal with his sleeplesness, anxiety and paranoia. He's now 100% unable to work and have to live on social security money for probably rest of his life.

I'm against legalization of drugs based on what effect these drugs have had on the people I have worked with, and I haven't even been close to see the really ugly side of drug use.

Smoking some grass, pot, joint or weed isn't that bad, but it's russian roulette when dealing with drugs harder than that.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 9:45 am

Yeah, I kind of agree with that. Many of those other drugs can fuck you up bad or even kill upon first time usage.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 9:54 am

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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 11:27 am

I have no problem with legalizing marijuana especially for medical purposes, that being said although I agree that it's not as hard as say Heroin or Cocaine, it is 10 times more damaging to the lungs than tobacco. In fact I remember reading somewhere that one joint is the equivalent of smoking an entire pack of cigarettes at once Shocked I'm not saying this to get all strait edge on you guys, just trying to let you know what to look out for.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 1:17 pm

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GodMachine wrote:
The only drugs I could justify having legalized is ecstasy, psychedelics, and grass. If not abused, all of those can be used in moderation with little ill consequence. People blow the whole drug issue way out of proportion if you ask me. In fact, I think if you did legalize certain drugs, you'd see the usage of other drugs drop.

This is totaly wrong, except for grass, ecstasy and psychedelics are dangerous, very addictive and potential deadly on first time use.
Back in the day I worked at a radiostation that where part of a program that helped drug users, drug addicts and alcoholics getting back to normal life.
I met several teenagers that basically had ruined their life on doing ecstacy and psychedelics. In most cases they couldn't be called addicts as they only had taken drugs two or three times.

One of those people became one of my friends and he's still paying the price from the two or three times he did ecstacy 11 years ago.
He got a minor brain damage from doing ecstacy, making it hard for him to concentrate and remember things. He needs medication to deal with his sleeplesness, anxiety and paranoia. He's now 100% unable to work and have to live on social security money for probably rest of his life.

I'm against legalization of drugs based on what effect these drugs have had on the people I have worked with, and I haven't even been close to see the really ugly side of drug use.

Smoking some grass, pot, joint or weed isn't that bad, but it's russian roulette when dealing with drugs harder than that.

Well I've taken ecstasy over 10 times, a few of those times even taken multiple pills, and I have no brain damage, nothing. I've taken LSD 7 times, and nothing bad has happened. I've eaten mushrooms and still nothing wrong with my brain. So from my stand point, I don't see anything wrong with any of that. In America, ecstasy was legal and used in couples therapies back in the '70's I believe it was. Now you can easily get over heated and dehydrated while on ecstasy, and that can lead to brain damage, but that's also preventable. But drugs effect each person differently, so I'm sure that has something to do with it.

@Mysterious Traveler, smoking weed is actually better for you than smoking cigarettes, and I don't know where you heard the line about smoking a joint is like smoking a whole pack of cigarettes (you probably heard it from the government), but it's not, cigarettes have a laundry list of harmful chemicals in them while marijuana is relatively clean.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 1:24 pm

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GodMachine wrote:
The only drugs I could justify having legalized is ecstasy, psychedelics, and grass. If not abused, all of those can be used in moderation with little ill consequence. People blow the whole drug issue way out of proportion if you ask me. In fact, I think if you did legalize certain drugs, you'd see the usage of other drugs drop.

This is totaly wrong, except for grass, ecstasy and psychedelics are dangerous, very addictive and potential deadly on first time use.
Back in the day I worked at a radiostation that where part of a program that helped drug users, drug addicts and alcoholics getting back to normal life.
I met several teenagers that basically had ruined their life on doing ecstacy and psychedelics. In most cases they couldn't be called addicts as they only had taken drugs two or three times.

One of those people became one of my friends and he's still paying the price from the two or three times he did ecstacy 11 years ago.
He got a minor brain damage from doing ecstacy, making it hard for him to concentrate and remember things. He needs medication to deal with his sleeplesness, anxiety and paranoia. He's now 100% unable to work and have to live on social security money for probably rest of his life.

I'm against legalization of drugs based on what effect these drugs have had on the people I have worked with, and I haven't even been close to see the really ugly side of drug use.

Smoking some grass, pot, joint or weed isn't that bad, but it's russian roulette when dealing with drugs harder than that.

Well I've taken ecstasy over 10 times, a few of those times even taken multiple pills, and I have no brain damage, nothing. I've taken LSD 7 times, and nothing bad has happened. I've eaten mushrooms and still nothing wrong with my brain. So from my stand point, I don't see anything wrong with any of that. In America, ecstasy was legal and used in couples therapies back in the '70's I believe it was. Now you can easily get over heated and dehydrated while on ecstasy, and that can lead to brain damage, but that's also preventable. But drugs effect each person differently, so I'm sure that has something to do with it.

@Mysterious Traveler, smoking weed is actually better for you than smoking cigarettes, and I don't know where you heard the line about smoking a joint is like smoking a whole pack of cigarettes (you probably heard it from the government), but it's not, cigarettes have a laundry list of harmful chemicals in them while marijuana is relatively clean.

The long term effects of taking those types of drugs will one day shine through. You may not see any damage yet, but you will one day. Just ask Syd Barrett.

And no, smoking weed is not better for you that smoking cigarettes. Inhaling any type of burning bush whether it be processed or not is devastating to your body. cigarettes may have chemicals in them but lets not forget, when you smoke bird, there is no filtration on it.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 5:39 pm

^ Thank you
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 5:53 pm

No problem, I'm here to help.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 6:04 pm

Weed should be legalized. Here in Holland it -kind of- is, but it's kind of a strange law.

Coffeeshops can sell it, it's more or less ok to smoke it in public, but you can't grow or deliver the weed, it's even illegal to deliver weed at coffeeshops.
So, stocking the coffeeshops is illegal, but selling it is legal. Strange.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 6:05 pm

That's fucking totally wacked
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 6:09 pm

http://www.infoniac.com/science/scientists-find-long-term-benefits-in-psychedelic-drug.html

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One source of many.

No doubt abuse of anything can lead to negative effects, long or short term; but again, they're called recreational for a reason.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 6:24 pm

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http://www.infoniac.com/science/scientists-find-long-term-benefits-in-psychedelic-drug.html

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One source of many.

No doubt abuse of anything can lead to negative effects, long or short term; but again, they're called recreational for a reason.

I'm serious when I say I'm already suffering from the effects of drugs (alcohol and marijuana). My short-term memory is like, fucked up. Not that it's totally fucked up, but i have those moments when i go downstairs to, for example, get a cookie.. and when i'm downstairs i don't even know why i was going there. sometimes i even go for a walk with my dog... without my dog.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 7:07 pm

Yea, no doubt that there are negative effects, but oddly enough the only thing I notice happening to me from my drug use (been smoking marijuana for about a year now every weekend) is that I space out.

But aside from that, I'm happier, better grades, have meditated on self-improvement, all that shit. It's done nothing but good for me not to try to block out the negative side-effects but...I don't know I'm not seeing much. Then again the effects differ for each and every person, some people it does nothing but drag them down; but speaking for myself, I've had mostly positive effects and experiences with my use, but again, cannot speak for everyone when I say that.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 7:28 pm

goose wrote:
http://www.infoniac.com/science/scientists-find-long-term-benefits-in-psychedelic-drug.html

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One source of many.

No doubt abuse of anything can lead to negative effects, long or short term; but again, they're called recreational for a reason.

But the problem that arises is more times than not the drugs are abused and not used "recreationally"

And, many of them can cause instant death.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 7:46 pm

Earthless wrote:
goose wrote:
http://www.infoniac.com/science/scientists-find-long-term-benefits-in-psychedelic-drug.html

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One source of many.

No doubt abuse of anything can lead to negative effects, long or short term; but again, they're called recreational for a reason.

I'm serious when I say I'm already suffering from the effects of drugs (alcohol and marijuana). My short-term memory is like, fucked up. Not that it's totally fucked up, but i have those moments when i go downstairs to, for example, get a cookie.. and when i'm downstairs i don't even know why i was going there. sometimes i even go for a walk with my dog... without my dog.

I would have to say that drugs effect people in different ways. I know people that smoke a lot and they're not forgetful. He says when he is actually high he is forgetful but as far as when he isn't he is not forgetful.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 9:31 pm

I, myself, am pretty apathetic about drugs, but I see no reason for them to be illegal. Honestly, caffein can be just as, if not more dangerous than the drugs they keep illegal. The risks versus benefits are a joke. Anything bad with many illegal drugs is worse in some legal drugs (alcohol). Based on that, there is no reason to have them banned. On the other hand, if they are legal, you cut off a major leg of the black market in America, the product becomes taxable, meaning more money for the government and a slightly improved economy, it cleans up the jails to be used for real criminals and the citizens of the country are satisfied which could have numerous effects (decrease in criminal activity, more productivity in businesses and more).

It even helps you if you're an activist against drugs. It could decrease consumption, getting rid of the 'forbidden-ness' temptation and it could discourage the purchase of 'harder' drugs (like crystal meth), since it would keep people away from the black market.

It's no question really. It's detrimental to civilization to keep drugs illegal.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 9:52 pm

^Truth, not to mention the drugs could be more safely produced. I mean, some alcohol during prohibition blinded people if not properly brewed.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 9:56 pm

I meant to make that point, actually, haha. Definitely, though. Black market drug developers tend to use a few unorthodox parts and throw in a few surprises.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 9:57 pm

Heat wrote:
goose wrote:
http://www.infoniac.com/science/scientists-find-long-term-benefits-in-psychedelic-drug.html

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One source of many.

No doubt abuse of anything can lead to negative effects, long or short term; but again, they're called recreational for a reason.

But the problem that arises is more times than not the drugs are abused and not used "recreationally"

And, many of them can cause instant death.

Okay, but we might as well outlaw internet, caffeine, ALCOHOL, right? Video games? FOOD? I dunno man, EVERYTHING can be abused.

As for instant death - psychedelics not at ALL. The only reported death with LSD was a guy who had 30,000 mg intravenously, and that's WAAAY over the common dosage for recreational use. Only cases I've heard instant death from are with hard drugs like inhalants and heroin.

Only way to die from weed is to smoke your own body weight in it, I don't know if i could smoke 145 lbs of weed in one night.
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PostSubject: Re: The Drug Thread   Wed May 06, 2009 11:48 pm

Marijuana itself does not have any long-term harmful effects to the body. But when smoked, it leads to Emphysema due to the inhaling of partially-combusted particles. That's the only risk you'll ever have smoking weed. However, Tobacco does kill. It contains Nicotine and tons of other chemicals which render it pretty much dangerous. It is also a carcinogen unlike weed.
Smoking it may cause lung cancer, chewing it or using the pipe to smoke it may cause mouth/throat cancer.

Marijuana is like the safest illegal drug. However, spurious quantities have killed many people especially in countries where drug laws are very strict. Saudi Arabia often beheads people who smuggle them into the country.

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