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    PostSubject: Views on abortion?   Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:24 am

    What's everybody's standing and opinion on this touchy subject?

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:35 pm

    I have noticed the ongoing controversy in the US about this issue. We had some discussions here in Norway back in 1978 when the abortion law was stated. There were a few radical left-wing priests who didn't welcome the law and tried to raise some controversy about it back then.

    I pretty much agree on how the abortion question is handled in Norway. Up to 12 weeks into the pregnancy the woman can decide to take an abortion, without any reasons given. From 12-18 weeks into the pregnancy certain criterias have to be present to have a abortion. Those are:
    # save the life of the pregnant woman
    # preserve the woman's physical or mental health
    # terminate pregnancy that would result in a child born with a congenital disorder that would be fatal or associated with significant morbidity
    # the pregnacy is a result of incest or rape
    # the pregnant woman is physically or mentally retarded

    After 18 weeks abortion is not allowed, unless the pregnant woman is in danger to die.
    After 23 weeks abortion is not allowed at all, as it is considered that the fetus will survive the birth and the doctors will force a premature birth if necessary.

    Right now I can't remember any cases covered in the news here in Norway where pregnant women have been forced to carry through their pregancy without their will, so I guess the law considering this issue is working quite well here.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:38 pm

    100 % with Voggis. I can't really understand thoose who think it is wrong.

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:08 pm

    Spot on, Vog.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:02 pm

    i think abortion should might as well be treated as murder, seeing to the fact that you are actually taking someones life. A fetus is living, and that is an undeniable fact. yes they dont act or respond, but regardless, they are humans, and abortion is taking their life which i think is fucking gay. what difference does it make if you kill a living walking 30 year old, or something that hasnt been born yet but is still living?

    plus vogg about those laws..i completely agree with everything you said, 100%

    but not all countries follow those rules, and we have to take into account that most countries with abortion rates are the places where abortion laws arent really applied. plus, anyone can travel to another country to get an abortion nowadays, so yeah...major fucked up-ism
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:08 am

    yeah the rules you guys got vogg are great... and should be the laws here... i hate religious nuts who try to abolish abortions... its your opinion... keep it to yourself... if a 17 year old makes the mistake of getting herself knocked up... should she A. get an abortion, or B. keep the baby and ruin the rest of her life and the childs life with being an early mother who is not ready for the burden.

    yes there are some instances of ppl who would abuse this... but its quite rare
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:03 am

    ...and to get the fact straight, me and my wife would never go for an abortion for "no reasons". I forgot to say that in my post, but what other people choose do to is their own decision.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:06 am

    Voggis wrote:
    ...and to get the fact straight, me and my wife would never go for an abortion for "no reasons". I forgot to say that in my post, but what other people choose do to is their own decision.

    exactly... dont want an abortion dont get one... dont push ur opinion on others Smile
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:18 am

    Abortion = Murder

    Only time I can agree with an abortion would be "# the pregnacy is a result of incest or rape".
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:25 am

    DEATH TO FETUSES
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:46 am

    When a fetus is aborted it has not developed enough yet to feel pain. It is not even developed enough to have a consciousness.

    The way I look at it, the world's fucking overpopulated as it is. If some dumb teenager getting preggo and has a child and treats it like shit its whole life can be avoided... well fucking power to them.

    Yes I am an insensitive prick, and proud of it!

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:09 am

    Fetus does feel pain you assmunch.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:19 am

    nah

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:23 am

    Dude, it is proven fact that at a little under 3 weeks fetuses respond to pain. Don't just post dumb comments when you can't back up what you're saying...Nah?? Why cause you say so?? I'll take scientists word for it over yours.. I just recently watched a documentary on Discovery about this subject hence the topic. I am trying to find the show so I can post the clip about fetuses and pain.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:28 am

    From_Earth_I_Rose wrote:
    Abortion = Murder

    Only time I can agree with an abortion would be "# the pregnacy is a result of incest or rape".

    This statement is bullshit to me, and I always laugh when I hear opinions like this. If yoiu are truly against abortion, this statement doiesnt make any sense at all.

    Why is it any different if a mother was raped? It's not the unborn child's fault.... It's still murdering the fucking kid to abort one that is a result of a rape.

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:32 am

    Mash wrote:
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    Abortion = Murder

    Only time I can agree with an abortion would be "# the pregnacy is a result of incest or rape".

    This statement is bullshit to me, and I always laugh when I hear opinions like this. If yoiu are truly against abortion, this statement doiesnt make any sense at all.

    Why is it any different if a mother was raped? It's not the unborn child's fault.... It's still murdering the fucking kid to abort one that is a result of a rape.

    I have to agree with you on this point. You are either for or against it.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:34 am

    Post the proof you have, Heat.

    I would rather read an actual study than watch some show on TV though. If there is proof as you say I will gladly retract my comment... but I have never seen any.

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:43 pm

    meh pain doesnt mean anything... until there is an actual consciousness in the body it doesnt matter... reaction to pain is just a reflex built into the human body... so that means nothing
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:48 pm

    Mash wrote:
    Post the proof you have, Heat.

    I would rather read an actual study than watch some show on TV though. If there is proof as you say I will gladly retract my comment... but I have never seen any.

    I was a documentary with scientific studies you idiot. Ummm..Yeah, that's an actual study. I haven't been able to find any video clips of it but if it is on again I will Tivo it. I'm sure it will be. Discovery replays everything.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:48 pm

    Set Abominae wrote:
    meh pain doesnt mean anything... until there is an actual consciousness in the body it doesnt matter... reaction to pain is just a reflex built into the human body... so that means nothing

    Sure it does.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:51 pm

    a vegetable feels pain... yet there is no one home... its just a dead body being held alive by machines... its not any more right to kill them then a fetus... yet we do it
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:54 pm

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    At this point, it is uncertain whether a fetus experiences pain during the first trimester of development, when most abortions occur. However, recent studies have shown that the fetus most certainly does feel pain by the end the second trimester, when late-term and partial birth abortions are performed. Since general anesthesia is not used in most of these procedures, the fetus most likely feels pain during the procedure as limbs may be pulled off and scissors are used to puncture the base of its skull.

    shut up bitches, they do feel pain
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:02 pm

    I must say the best women that don't want to have a child can do si have an abortion in the early stages of the fetuses developement.

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:13 pm

    Where is that quoted from, Cheesey? That doesn't mean anything unless it comes from somewhere reputable.


    Heat, the most important thing I learned in university is that these types of things have to be backed up by scientific studies that are published in reputable journals. Anyone can make a documentary and interview any fucking quack to make their point. That doesn't make the information valid nor free from bias on the part of the film makers or the "experts" that they receive their information from.

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:19 pm

    Mash wrote:
    Where is that quoted from, Cheesey? That doesn't mean anything unless it comes from somewhere reputable.


    Heat, the most important thing I learned in university is that these types of things have to be backed up by scientific studies that are published in reputable journals. Anyone can make a documentary and interview any fucking quack to make their point. That doesn't make the information valid nor free from bias on the part of the film makers or the "experts" that they receive their information from.

    I know what you are saying.

    To be honest I am neither here nor there when it comes to abortion.
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