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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:09 pm

    That's right, I AM am an abortion!!! You got a problem with that, fucknuts?

    Anti-Life FTW

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:18 pm

    mash also likes having sex with abortions
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:28 pm

    sex with aborted fetuses.

    That would be a cool band name.

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:36 pm

    Hmm one could argue each sperm / egg is alive to a fair extent and is certainly made of human genetic material, so you are killing whatever the hell happens.

    Secondly its fairly unenforcable and like many things if banned forces it underground and nasty.

    Thirdly it pisses off many christians which is a major plus for me.

    I dont see how the issue of pain a few pages ago matters, either its a problem from other reasons or it isnt, I dont see how if the thing can feel pain is relevent to anything.

    Overpopulation is also a massive issue, the last thing we need is poorer people with more children (if they have more, typically it lowers the odds of each getting a good education and such) so much that I would almost consider it to be worthwhile the govt subsidising it for poorer parents.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:50 am

    Even if abortion is legalized, the underground will still exist. Not everyone can pay for an abortion. And if they can't, they're going to go for the black market. One of the major risks of abortion is that of infection which in some cases gets bad enough for a woman to never be able to bear a child again while in other cases symptoms of an abortion gone wrong appear many years later.

    I think people need to understand that an abortion is actually a forced miscarriage. Giving it a fancy name doesn't change that. (Infact there is a type of miscarriage that is called an abortion). During a pregnancy the body develops itself in such a way that the delivery is made easier on both the baby and the mother.
    In an abortion, a woman basically forces herself to give birth before her own body or the fetus is ready for the delivery, therefore, abortion is a lot more dangerous than a normal delivery. Hence it isn't a good idea to have an abortion even if it's only to save the mother's life. Infact, death during or after an abortion is not a rarity either.

    Abortion is no different from suffocating someone to death. Since the fetus does not die due to being cut (since normally only the limbs are cut) or anything it dies a slow painful death by suffocation.

    Someone mentioned this before, I guess, that if the option of abortion is removed more people will learn to control themselves. Agreed fully and completely.

    About poorer populations with more children, there's nothing wrong with that. If the parents think they cannot provide for their children they can give them up for adoption. There are many other better alternatives. Plus I'm wondering how the poor population is going to pay for the abortion?

    I consider the pain as relevant issue as well. I don't see why it shouldn't be considered relevant. Afterall, people go around paying bills at the vet's for a little bit of pain that their pets have. I don't see why they can't care for their own child's pain.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:21 pm

    okirimono wrote:
    Even if abortion is legalized, the underground will still exist. Not everyone can pay for an abortion. And if they can't, they're going to go for the black market. One of the major risks of abortion is that of infection which in some cases gets bad enough for a woman to never be able to bear a child again while in other cases symptoms of an abortion gone wrong appear many years later.

    I think people need to understand that an abortion is actually a forced miscarriage. Giving it a fancy name doesn't change that. (Infact there is a type of miscarriage that is called an abortion). During a pregnancy the body develops itself in such a way that the delivery is made easier on both the baby and the mother.
    In an abortion, a woman basically forces herself to give birth before her own body or the fetus is ready for the delivery, therefore, abortion is a lot more dangerous than a normal delivery. Hence it isn't a good idea to have an abortion even if it's only to save the mother's life. Infact, death during or after an abortion is not a rarity either.

    Abortion is no different from suffocating someone to death. Since the fetus does not die due to being cut (since normally only the limbs are cut) or anything it dies a slow painful death by suffocation.

    Someone mentioned this before, I guess, that if the option of abortion is removed more people will learn to control themselves. Agreed fully and completely.

    About poorer populations with more children, there's nothing wrong with that. If the parents think they cannot provide for their children they can give them up for adoption. There are many other better alternatives. Plus I'm wondering how the poor population is going to pay for the abortion?

    I consider the pain as relevant issue as well. I don't see why it shouldn't be considered relevant. Afterall, people go around paying bills at the vet's for a little bit of pain that their pets have. I don't see why they can't care for their own child's pain.


    the abortions your talking about are the late abortions... the one least commonly done... so that isnt a realistic reason to ban abortions completely. most of them are done before the fetus gets any kind of human form... or a brain for that matter.


    also ppl will never control themselves... u may get 1/100 ppl to not get pregnant with no abortions, but it will screw up alot more ppls lives, and make bad childhoods for some kids.


    plus abortions do cost money but kids cost a ton more... and just because they can put them up for adoption doesnt mean they should... for one alot of kids who are up for adoption most of the time dont live very meaningful lives... and usually despise their childhood.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:56 am

    Honestly, just because it doesn't have a human form does not mean it's not a human being. Abortion leaves no respect for for life. And I wouldn't believe it no matter how many times someone tells me that all abortions are done in the early stages.

    Like I said abortion is forced miscarriage, no matter what stage it's performed in. Abortion actually means the termination of pregnancy by deliberate expulsion of the fetus. The only difference between abortion and miscarriage is that in miscarriages the fetus is already dead.

    Infection is a risk even in the early stages. Even doctors who are for abortion will tell you that. So here's how it might be:
    People who can pay for an abortion and fall well within the age of pregnancy criteria get an abortion legally.
    Poor populations get it from the black market which I'm sure isn't as neat or hygienic as the legal hospitals. These women have a higher risk of infection, damage to the womb and excessive bleeding.
    Teens who can't tell their parents also go for this method and actually put their entire life in jeopardy.

    Many kids whose parents actually wanted to have 'em also have bad childhoods. It isn't wanting or not wanting the child that makes good/bad childhoods.

    How about contraception? That isn't too expensive. And one might argue that contraception is not 100% safe. Answer to that; If you're going for sex, be responsible for the out come of it.

    And people are always like that. Making mistakes and then looking for easy ways out. Cut down their easy ways and you might actually have less mistakes.
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:32 pm

    Mistakes and accidents are something no one is ever 100% safe from. There's no cut-and-dry rule that can be applied to a situation with so many potential reasons and causes.

    Sure, life should be respected - but our destruction of plant life and animal life for the many purposes that we use them for, in that case, carries even greater implications. Following that argument, we should seek alternate means to consumption/industrial use of plants and any form of animal products, with all current forms of such things prohibited.

    The reason I say this, is because the common argument is that "it can still feel, no matter how young it is, therefore abortion is still murder".

    At any rate, having a child is a monumental responsibility, and there's no argument about the fact that it's better for a child to be born in favourable circumstances with both parents fully committed to the situation. An unwanted child, or a child that a family can't support, won't help anyone, let alone themselves. As for how that child came into being, as I already mentioned, accidents and mistakes are not something one is always protected from.

    Do what you can to minimise abortions, sure - but it should still be an option
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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:27 am

    If they are raped, have really low income or just plain old fucked up, they should be able to have one, or if in school and young. KILL BABIES!!!(lol sarcasm)

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:22 am

    Svibrager wrote:
    Mistakes and accidents are something no one is ever 100% safe from. There's no cut-and-dry rule that can be applied to a situation with so many potential reasons and causes.

    Sure, life should be respected - but our destruction of plant life and animal life for the many purposes that we use them for, in that case, carries even greater implications. Following that argument, we should seek alternate means to consumption/industrial use of plants and any form of animal products, with all current forms of such things prohibited.

    The reason I say this, is because the common argument is that "it can still feel, no matter how young it is, therefore abortion is still murder".

    At any rate, having a child is a monumental responsibility, and there's no argument about the fact that it's better for a child to be born in favourable circumstances with both parents fully committed to the situation. An unwanted child, or a child that a family can't support, won't help anyone, let alone themselves. As for how that child came into being, as I already mentioned, accidents and mistakes are not something one is always protected from.

    Do what you can to minimise abortions, sure - but it should still be an option

    I like this view... and I agree with it.

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    PostSubject: Re: Views on abortion?   Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:37 pm

    it should be an option, what happen when a girl 12 or 13 years old is rapped?? should she have to bring the baby to this place?? when fathers abuse of their daughters and get them pregnant...what kind of kid are your bringing ?? a future psycho, rappist, murderer???

    it should be an option, of course always you'll have many people against, but if you think with a very very cold head...it should be...

    my honest and humble opinion... Wink
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