NSBM

Thought I'd start a discussion about National-Socialist Black Metal since it tends to often bring lively debates about racism, nazism and fascism etc. in music.

So what are your opinions about NSBM?

One of the best things about metal is the huge contrasting opinions you can get within a similar sound, from NSBM to Christian Black Metal (cue for canned laughs). But once it gets that far I stop listening to the lyrics, well I never really listened to black metal for the lyrics but you get what I mean. I don't mind buying their albums because no one will be swayed into some sort of new age holocaust by listening to an album but I do prefer bands where I can enjoy the music and agree with their ideas too.

funny...
in a german metal forum you would have been banned only for opening a thread like that xDD

Imho nsbm just sucks... it's sometimes sad when I find out that an underground black metal band I like has got racistic lyrics or something like that... it's just waste.

I'm an ardent antifascist so NSBM is where I draw the line, Black Metal is heard from Mexico City to Kuala Lumpur I don't appreciate a bunch of inbred eurotrash halfwits hijacking the scene to promote their bullshit propaganda which is exactly what 90% of these cocksuckers do. Also I can't stand when they try to bring heathenry into it :wtf: HEY MORONS HITLER WAS AN ALTAR BOY! KEEP OUR SHIT OUT OF IT!

As for those who like listening to these bands for the shock value so long as they don't attack minorities or vote Republican I can give a shit.

I must admit I don't think I have ever heard a NSBM band's full album so i can't comment. Can't imagine the lyrics attracting me though that's for sure.

I can't really get into it. Not a fan of the sound. Also, I'm Jewish, so it would seem odd to support a band that hates me. Then again, there are a ton of Tool fans out there...

They're a bunch of talentless hacks who rely on shock factors to get fans, most of which are 13 year old skinheads.

Politics have no place in Metal, at all. That's what Punk is for.
If the music is good, though, I'll listen to it.

Fuckin jews.

^That is a joke. I don't think i ever listened to a NSBM band... If the music is REALLY good maybe i would'nt care about the lyrics... Not a big black metal fan anyways, so...

Mysterious Traveler wrote:

As for those who like listening to these bands for the shock value so long as they don't attack minorities or vote Republican I can give a shit.

Voting Republican has fucking nothing to do with a sickness like National Socialism or minority hating. Already Republicans are so strongly opposed to socialism that it should be obvious even to the mentally most challenged to realize they could never go anywhere near national socialism.

BravoYankeeEcho wrote:

Mysterious Traveler wrote:

As for those who like listening to these bands for the shock value so long as they don't attack minorities or vote Republican I can give a shit.

Voting Republican has fucking nothing to do with a sickness like National Socialism or minority hating. Already Republicans are so strongly opposed to socialism that it should be obvious even to the mentally most challenged to realize they could never go anywhere near national socialism.

Ah dude that was a joke *Tap tap* is this thing on?! Besides, considering how the GOP has now gone down to the lowest common denominator, well I'm not exactly that far off now am I

Vagabond wrote:

Politics have no place in Metal, at all. That's what Punk is for.
If the music is good, though, I'll listen to it.

Politics do have a place, its just not that it traditionaly is not presented in the same way as in Punk. Metal usually portrays politics from an objective perspective, and uses metaphors. Punk tends to be more direct. Thats the only real difference.

^ That's true, Black Sabbath was a perfect example of that. Just listen to "paranoid" alone and you'll see what I'm talking about :afro:

Another great example is Nevermore's This Godless Endeavour.

NSBM.... Yeah so what? Pantera has spawned more hate and racism than these radical white dudes in some tiny European country. Listen to Forest - As a Song in the Harvest of Grief that shit is so cash.

Mysterious Traveler wrote:

BravoYankeeEcho wrote:

Mysterious Traveler wrote:

As for those who like listening to these bands for the shock value so long as they don't attack minorities or vote Republican I can give a shit.

Voting Republican has fucking nothing to do with a sickness like National Socialism or minority hating. Already Republicans are so strongly opposed to socialism that it should be obvious even to the mentally most challenged to realize they could never go anywhere near national socialism.

Ah dude that was a joke *Tap tap* is this thing on?! Besides, considering how the GOP has now gone down to the lowest common denominator, well I'm not exactly that far off now am I

Ah well. Didn't catch it. Around these parts people sometimes are actually serious about that shit.

^There's a word for people like that, loons and they're on both sides of the political spectrum I'm afraid.

Metal does comment on politics but from a distance. Although you could argue that with United Abominations by Megadeth recently, Mustaine definitely let us know his political views and stance there.

Political correctnes destroys art!
Fukk the NS and Pagan Trend!
Black Metal have to be black and not green or brown!

It really only becomes an issue when the ideology becomes so important that the music itself suffers. No matter the art form, someones personal beliefs are going to show through to some degree. If someone has Anti-Semetic or Racist beliefs, they will show through in the music. Its just a matter of degree and how important they are in the music. If the message overpowers the actual art of the music, then the music itself will actually suffer. That is whats wrong with many NSBM bands. They place the Ideology so far above the music that it detracts from the music itself, resulting in a terrible band.

Another point is that someone can listen to something that is polar opposite of what the believe, if they are true in their convictions and enjoy the music, and not have their convictions swayed by the music.

Nationalist Socialist BLACK Metal. Lol.

This is an age old argument. I dont really care what belief system a band is involved with. ValhallanKnight's comments are very true. I do enjoy some NSBM acts such as Graveland (old) Fanisk, Grand Belial's Key. But most are shitty. But I think its funny that so many metal fans are sensitive to this subject when so many are fans of Burzum(whom I hate) and such. I think we should remember that BM was founded on the principals of hate and aggression. I dont believe anymore that if you listen to hateful music it makes you a hateful person, thats like saying horror movies would turn me into a serial killer. Now if you are SO strongly opposed to the lyrical content thats fine. But I listen to satanic BM, but im far from a satanist. I dont think enjoying satanic music makes me satanic. but maybe thats just me

Honestly, in most of the metal I listen to, the lyrics and vocals are unintelligible, or sang in a language I don't speak, and probably still unintelligible to those who do. So the message in nearly all the music I listen to is really fucking unimportant. I like it for the music first and foremost. I tend to think of the vocals as just another instrument.

Furthermore, not liking a bands output because you don't agree with some of their ideas seems like a pretty dumbass notion to me. Think about every band you like. Now think about every member of every one of those bands, Now, try to imagine that you would agree with every opinion of every one of these people. Yeah, that's pretty dumbass.

^ Hahahahaha that's the best thing I have ever heard!

yeah thats way better than my long winded overexplanation