NSBM

Don't add fuel. Just let it rest.

This is the fucking last time I'm fucking saying it. Enough with the bullshit.

CapnColostomy, if you're gonna log on just to make an idiot post like that. Don't bother.

Here's an interesting link that best explains my general opposition to NSBM . I hope this will help clear a few things with some members, as well as taken into consideration by WhiteWotan.

http://home.earthlink.net/~asatru/heathen/eschew.html

Did CapNColostomy delete his account?

I guess so. He was an asshole. He had 15 posts and most of them were ignorant.

Who cares? We don't need fuckwits like him trolling around here anyway. The best thing about this forum is that we don't get many trolls.

Politics have a place in metal,and especially in black metal which is the rawest and most emotional form of metal.Whoever said politics is what punk music is for would do well to learn the history of metal and punk,both are inextricably intertwined

Forgotten Woods 'Race Of Cain' might be extreme right wing BM,but the music is so good,who gives a shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry_x0r6tYHs

Forgotten Woods has absolutely NOTHING to do with NSBM!

Nokturnal Mortum is a good example (or so I have heard) of a damn good BM band that is a forerunner in the NSBM movement.

I always find this debate strange, I don't listen to music for ideology. I listen to it for the sound.

I am an English expatriate living in the Arab world with a Chinese wife, and my mother is Polish, and my friends are from every corner of the globe, and of almost every religion or creed. I am not racist or anti-religion either (though I don't participate in religion).

However I do listen to NSBM - I steal it, I won't pay for it, I'm not contributing to hate financially - and enjoy a lot of it for the music. I also listen to Oi! from bands like Skrewdriver, and I don't feel the need to sieg heil after listening to either.

I don't listen to Christian black metal, but I do have some pretty good Christian industrial, and it doesn't make me want to praise Jesus either.

I find that most of the people who complain about NSBM are just as childish as those "13 yr old skinheads" they bash; in my view metal, like any other form of music, is an expression of ideas that can be put forth musically or as lyrics and imagery. Art, especially metal, is often provocative, and sensoring an idea, whether you disagree with it or not, would be hypocritical if you support other art forms in any way shape or form. It is only if the ideology or belief takes precedent over an artist's output and the quality suffers, can one put forth a denouncing opinion on a genre.

Secondly, whatever the artist chooses to sing about, it is not to imply that the listeners immediately must take it on board and become alike. Like with any argument, one must consider what's being said, and agree or disagree with it as a whole - make conclusions for yourself and live accordingly, rather than slandering an opinion that's unsavoury to your pampered tastes.

Thirdly, there's an ever-present confusion between pagan metal bands and NSBM, and pagan metal bands (genre argument aside, I'm referring here to the lyrical content). I find constantly that people slandering National Socialist bands lump in bands like Kroda in there too, taking little time to explore the concepts of those bands, thereby showing little understanding of the ideas and thoughts involved and hindering their arguments in general.

My main point is basically that NSBM is just one form of expression that attracts a roughly equal proportion of intelligent, schooled individuals as those who aren't weighed heavily by intellect, as the rest of the scene. In that it's no different. If it's "too rough" or too "unsavoury", what are you doing listening to metal at all? If the band's music is bad, then it's bad not because of them belonging to a genre or an ideology, it's because the music is poor.

I think its really a matter of if you can listen to it without getting annoyed, if the lyrical content bugs you its not much fun to listen to (a lot of christian bands do this to me and its a damn shame), if you dont notice it or can sort of deal with it okay listen to it, I think this is a personal thing, disliking a band for their lyrics isnt neccisarily being offended. The bands should totally allowed to continue to make music or whatever, censorship is bad, but that doesnt mean choosing not to listen to it as you dont like it is censorship, to censor is to stop others from listening to it as well.

Basically lyrics / vocals are another instrument, if you like it you like it listen to them, if not dont.

However unless you actually support the band as people, make sure to never give them a cent.

I listen to a lot of NSBM bands and I really couldn't give less of a shit about their personal beliefs and politic views. The general ideology of black metal is pretty much linked to the NS-beliefs anyway and if you're afraid a band you could like may have nationalistic ideas you should rather just stay the fuck away from black metal because it definitely doesn't seem to be the right music for you.

Besides, I find it ridiculous to ignore or hate on a band just for that. But then again, if a simple "NS" before your "BM" scares you away, you aren't worthy to listen to that music anyway and you deserve the loss.

^exactly