NSBM

I fucking hate politics.

CapNColostomy wrote:

Honestly, in most of the metal I listen to, the lyrics and vocals are unintelligible, or sang in a language I don't speak, and probably still unintelligible to those who do. So the message in nearly all the music I listen to is really fucking unimportant. I like it for the music first and foremost. I tend to think of the vocals as just another instrument.

Furthermore, not liking a bands output because you don't agree with some of their ideas seems like a pretty dumbass notion to me. Think about every band you like. Now think about every member of every one of those bands, Now, try to imagine that you would agree with every opinion of every one of these people. Yeah, that's pretty dumbass.

The issue is not with the members of these bands beliefs. The issue is that these bands openly display and try and use their beliefs in order to gain attention.

Leave politics out of metal -- the very name National Socialist Black Metal tarnishes the music with needless political beliefs, and THAT is why I refuse to listen to them.

I'll gladly listen to Hardcore Punk, because politics go along with it, but like any normal area of politics, I'll only listen to ones I agree with or at least am on the same page with on most of the issues.

CapNColostomy wrote:

Furthermore, not liking a bands output because you don't agree with some of their ideas seems like a pretty dumbass notion to me. Think about every band you like. Now think about every member of every one of those bands, Now, try to imagine that you would agree with every opinion of every one of these people. Yeah, that's pretty dumbass.

The opinions of "certain members of a band" are none of my business and also besides the point. I have no problems with a metal band -be it black, death, or thrash- having a political agenda so long as it's not a threat to my safety or personal freedoms which is exactly what Nazism is and why I'm dead set against it. At the same time however, it doesn't mean I'm not willing to give someone else the benefit of the doubt when they say they listen to such bands just for the "evil content" mainly since I like to believe most people at least have some brains as opposed to the mouth breathers this type of movement has been recruiting since before Rock N' Roll in general was ever created.

I don't care as long as the music is good.

I am personally into NSBM both in case of music and in case of message. But I think anyone can listen to good NSBM band and enjoy music. I just want to point that they are not bunch of kids that want to be "as evil as Hitler" because it would be DUMBASS to be Polish hitlerist claiming he's patriot. NSBM in mainly about paganism and views like racism, anti-semitism, anti-christianity, extreme nationalism come from PAGAN religion. And references to Hitler are sometimes made mostly for shock value. I myself don't use hitlerist symbols (prefer Polish/Slavonic - for example I do not greet with other by "sieg heil!" or so but by "slava!") and don't like when someone use it. I know that for example in Waffen SS or Wehrmacht were a lot of Slavonic people and talking about Hitler "treating Slavs as subhumans" is bullshit but most people unfortunately think like that so I don't want to confuse them... I am basically pagan/nationalist. I think it's silly to copy NSDAP economy system for example because back then in 1920 hiperinflation and crisis was Germany's issue and socialist politics of Hitler was reaction to strongly anti-capitalist views of majority. People claiming nazism to be "far-right" are basically uneducated. Obviously now we don't have hiperinflation so we don't need to invent socialism into politics so I think this whole NS in NSBM is just symbolism not real politic belief and they are basically neo-pagan.

Thanx for attention.

WhiteWotan wrote:

I am personally into NSBM both in case of music and in case of message. But I think anyone can listen to good NSBM band and enjoy music. I just want to point that they are not bunch of kids that want to be "as evil as Hitler" because it would be DUMBASS to be Polish hitlerist claiming he's patriot. NSBM in mainly about paganism and views like racism, anti-semitism, anti-christianity, extreme nationalism come from PAGAN religion. And references to Hitler are sometimes made mostly for shock value. I myself don't use hitlerist symbols (prefer Polish/Slavonic - for example I do not greet with other by "sieg heil!" or so but by "slava!") and don't like when someone use it. I know that for example in Waffen SS or Wehrmacht were a lot of Slavonic people and talking about Hitler "treating Slavs as subhumans" is bullshit but most people unfortunately think like that so I don't want to confuse them... I am basically pagan/nationalist. I think it's silly to copy NSDAP economy system for example because back then in 1920 hiperinflation and crisis was Germany's issue and socialist politics of Hitler was reaction to strongly anti-capitalist views of majority. People claiming nazism to be "far-right" are basically uneducated. Obviously now we don't have hiperinflation so we don't need to invent socialism into politics so I think this whole NS in NSBM is just symbolism not real politic belief and they are basically neo-pagan.

Thanx for attention.

I beg your pardon, Wotan but Pagan beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with racial chauvinism or extreme nationalism. You're confusing the pre Christian European belief systems with the "romantic nationalist" philosophy of Wagner and other reactionaries from the 19th century who are in fact the inspiration of the volkisch movement, who continue to pervert pagan images and lore to pursue their extreme agenda to this day.

Also you seem to be under the impression that Hitler was not "Far right" because his party name had the word "socialist" in it. Forgive me for saying so but I don't think one has to be an expert in history or political thought to know that Nazism is no more socialist than North Korea is a "Democratic People's republic" Just like Fascist Italy the Nazis attacked trade union leaders and suspended all organized labor setting up a corporatist state where workers were to be obedient to the elite.( Whereas even Marxist socialists work with the trade union movement to achieve their goals but that's another arguement )

If there's anything else you'd like to add I'm all ears, just take note of one thing I'm not here to fight you, I'm here to help you

Pre-Christian Indo-European beliefs ARE racist and it's obvious. Just read Eddas where dark skinned people are called "race of thralls" and fair skinned are called "race of earls". Also if you are interested, in Hinduism are a lot of motives about fair "Aryans" and their "thunder god with yellow hair and yellow beard" fightning against "dark skinned, noseless slaves". And there are many other examples of that.

WhiteWotan wrote:

Pre-Christian Indo-European beliefs ARE racist and it's obvious. Just read Eddas where dark skinned people are called "race of thralls" and fair skinned are called "race of earls". Also if you are interested, in Hinduism are a lot of motives about fair "Aryans" and their "thunder god with yellow hair and yellow beard" fightning against "dark skinned, noseless slaves". And there are many other examples of that.

The Eddas were written and translated by Christian scholars at a time when Heathenry was all but diminished by the church. Take for Example Snorri Sturluson he's credited for having written the Prose Edda which is considered one of the best guides to learning Heathen lore. Although Snorri was a great Historian who took pride in the Mythology of his heritage, his account on the subject was still mainly that of a 13th Century Christian rather than an authentic Indigenous account by the Ancient Norse themselves.

The truth is there's been so many new discoveries that we've found that now contradicts Roman/ Judeo - Christian views on Germanic pagans. For Example "Germania" by the roman senator Tacitus was seen as a literary source on the culture of the Teutonic tribes, only problem was he presumed their belief system was the exact same as the Romans The Prose Edda showed otherwise. Also when Viking relics were discovered in Newfoundland it was perceived that they came as conquerors plundering as they ventured forth, now some evidence shows that the Norse people not only lived side by side with Indigenous Americans but traded with them as well (which is more than I can say for Columbus )

Nisstyre 56 wrote:

CapNColostomy wrote:

Honestly, in most of the metal I listen to, the lyrics and vocals are unintelligible, or sang in a language I don't speak, and probably still unintelligible to those who do. So the message in nearly all the music I listen to is really fucking unimportant. I like it for the music first and foremost. I tend to think of the vocals as just another instrument.

Furthermore, not liking a bands output because you don't agree with some of their ideas seems like a pretty dumbass notion to me. Think about every band you like. Now think about every member of every one of those bands, Now, try to imagine that you would agree with every opinion of every one of these people. Yeah, that's pretty dumbass.

The issue is not with the members of these bands beliefs. The issue is that these bands openly display and try and use their beliefs in order to gain attention.

Begging your pardon if I misunderstand, but how can your problem simultaneously be not about the beliefs, and the beliefs at the the same time? Also, why would anyone feel like the Nazi's are any sort of real threat in today's world?

My point is, these people may as well be saying that they're lactose intolerant, or vegans, or anti-Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, etc...You wouldn't know in most cases, and even if you did why should you care? Politics have a place in metal, but not over sensitive, delicate PC types perhaps. At one time, it was a staple of metal to be in your face and offensive. Now? It's almost overrun with faggotry and emo type shit. People today are too sensitive, and certainly people seem to be too fucking scared to form their own ideas and stand by them. Vocalize them. It's taboo to take pride in your own race, because unless you're a member of a "minority", doing so makes you a racist. It all seems to me utter horse shit.

The Cap'n has a point.
I swear by this Destroyer 666 verse.

I'd rather reign in Hell, than serve your god
Don't wanna be chained to your cross
I'm not ashamed to be white
Paying penance to fools is a waste of my life

CapNColostomy wrote:

It's taboo to take pride in your own race, because unless you're a member of a "minority", doing so makes you a racist. It all seems to me utter horse shit.

Don't give me that "Whites aren't allowed to show pride" crap okay

Mysterious Traveler wrote:

CapNColostomy wrote:

It's taboo to take pride in your own race, because unless you're a member of a "minority", doing so makes you a racist. It all seems to me utter horse shit.

Don't give me that "Whites aren't allowed to show pride" crap okay

You might have a point if you'd displayed one picture that said anything about being WHITE. Being from Ireland, Italy, or Iceland doesn't equate being white.

Also, I never said "Whites aren't allowed to show pride". I said it was taboo. Because it is. Look it up and enlighten yourself, dipshit.

Guys, lets keep this an intelligent discussion, no one`s a dipshit here, thanks, back to the topic

CapNColostomy wrote:

Mysterious Traveler wrote:

CapNColostomy wrote:

It's taboo to take pride in your own race, because unless you're a member of a "minority", doing so makes you a racist. It all seems to me utter horse shit.

Don't give me that "Whites aren't allowed to show pride" crap okay

You might have a point if you'd displayed one picture that said anything about being WHITE. Being from Ireland, Italy, or Iceland doesn't equate being white.

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Yeah you're right because all those European countries usually consist of brown Mexican people

Kid, instead of trying to be a troll just admit you made a bogus generalization and I called you out on it Now go dry your eyes and play nice before you embarrass yourself further capice

Yes, you're right. Your country of origin must also dictate your race. I'm sure if you bothered to check it out, you'd find no black, or brown people in all of fucking Europe! Me being from the United States then, I guess you'd have to assume I'm a Cherokee Indian or a member of another tribe of indigenous origin. If anyone's made bogus generalizations, it's you, and you've been called on them.

Speaking of brown Mexican people, http://www.metacafe.com/watch/871486/mind_of_mencia_white_pride/

Also, I'm not a kid. You're a whopping two years older than me, so don't be a twat if you're the one feeling embarrassed. I don't know how you can possibly even try to rebut my argument by simply saying "no, I'm right, and you're not" when you haven't provided one factual statement and I have.

I'm not going to continue this discussion with you any further since you're obviously just trying to start trouble.


Just do us all a favor go back on whatever medication you're on maybe then you'll make some sense for a change

Ok, everybody stop the arguing.This thread is about NSBM. If you want to argue and slobber at each other, do it elsewhere. Go to Ultimate-metal or AllMetalForums if you want to babble back and forth like that.

Any more off topic posts and I'm locking the thread.

It's alright I already have that troll blocked.

Don't make me break out the heat.

National-Socialist Black Metal? Fuck, I thought NSBM was "new school black metal"


Fuck.....

Could be worse, could be "Neo Con Black Metal"

Mash wrote:

National-Socialist Black Metal? Fuck, I thought NSBM was "new school black metal"


Fuck.....

Gees, Mash...

Mysterious Traveler wrote:

It's alright I already have that troll blocked because I'm a lady on my period, and I fucking FAIL.

Excellent! Then I won't have to endure anymore of your bullshit yammering when I say you're a , because you'll never have seen it in text!

Back on topic, I enjoy some NSBM bands.

Enough with the name calling CapnColostomy. It will not be tolerated here.

Your post was edited.

No Let him please he's only resulting to insults because he can't back his own arguments, even the Volkisch guy at least has some manners. Pathetic