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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Sun May 24, 2009 6:12 pm

Honestly (Don't know if this has already been said), I don't think faith is what can get you into the afterlife, it's your actions and thoughts and what-not. Anyway, yeah, I still have belief in this higher being I've believed in since childhood, but in recent years I've lost my trust in him, or whatever.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Fri May 29, 2009 3:03 am

Hell no! I'm a ateist.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Fri May 29, 2009 3:28 am

I believe god exists, beyond that, I don't really know.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Fri May 29, 2009 4:15 am

I belive in God...
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Fri May 29, 2009 7:49 am

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I believe god exists, beyond that, I don't really know.

Nobody knows... and nobody ever will unless some god comes down and bitch slaps us..

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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Fri May 29, 2009 8:18 am

I believe in schizophrenia..the basis of all religions!
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Fri May 29, 2009 9:02 am

^^ true.

I dont know if God exists or not, but actually neither of these two facts would change the way I live or treat people.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Fri May 29, 2009 9:05 pm

Mash wrote:

Nobody knows... and nobody ever will unless some god comes down and bitch slaps us..

And even then those that are not there on the day wont know, I would advise for a god to make all displays global and perminant, maybe a little note that always stays in the same spot in the sky or something.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:36 am

Sometimes i think that some people who believe in god (like i mean REALLY believe) do it on the bases of nothing. like some kind of blind trust. because other than that, how else would they have a strong belief? its all based on nothing. i bet even they sometimes doubt their own religion. i mean cmon, we are all human.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:16 am

I cant understand people who believe every word of the bible.

People actually believe the story of Noah's Ark.... WTF?? That is one of the dumbest stories I have ever heard!

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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:36 am

I personally don't and I really dislike Christianity, but that's probably because growing up I knew a guy that was just a total ass about how right his religion was. People like that really piss me off.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:29 am

Actually, the "i hate Christianity" is just a fashionable sentence, and maybe a fashionable feeling as well.
Christianity is just the 2nd level of Judaism, as Islam is the 3rd level of Judaism, and 2nd of Christianity.
Nobody talks about Islam or Judaism, they see only Christianity: " oh i hate Christianity bla bla " , just because they are surrounded by christians (mum, dad, sis, bro, maybe even my hamster is christian o.0 - should check it next time ).
The funny thing is that some of these "i hate christianity" individuals don't even know it very well, they've just heard the kid next door saying "to hell with christianity" and then they started being like " omg yes dude so true so true " when in fact they have no freaking idea what christianity is ==> they have no freakin idea that there are 2 branches of christianity and that the little groups of so called christians are little branches only from catholicism. Complicated indeed for the " i hate christianity" people. o.0
there is no real hate for anything... just the herd instinct... o.o ( my opinion )
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:20 pm

I wouldn't say i HATE Christianity. I know a lot about the religion (the history, rituals, and beliefs) and I just don't believe in it, nor understand those who do.

I do agree with the "herd instinct" comment... especially in society today people grab onto what is the cool thing to do. If hating Christianity is cool, people will hate it.

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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:33 pm

Mash, why hate Christianity? Why hate anything at all?
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:25 pm

@Andreea I think you should be more careful with sweeping statements, I find very few christians know what their little book says compared to its detractors, I would argue that the herd instinct is more in the people that are pro christianity. I really dont know what ignorant people you know who are unaware of sects etc, but extrapolating that to cover everyone that dislikes christianity is rather silly.

As far as hating religion goes, I hate judaism ( I don't have an issue with secular judasim) and islam just as much though the supporters of such are less vocal around my area so I have less opportunity to be annoyed by them (plus you cant really get away with hating judaism these days, even if it its just a small part of hating organized religion, and you hate it purely for that reason).

@Dulle Hatred is FUN!
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:08 am

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@Andreea I think you should be more careful with sweeping statements, I find very few christians know what their little book says compared to its detractors, I would argue that the herd instinct is more in the people that are pro christianity. I really dont know what ignorant people you know who are unaware of sects etc, but extrapolating that to cover everyone that dislikes christianity is rather silly.

As far as hating religion goes, I hate judaism ( I don't have an issue with secular judasim) and islam just as much though the supporters of such are less vocal around my area so I have less opportunity to be annoyed by them (plus you cant really get away with hating judaism these days, even if it its just a small part of hating organized religion, and you hate it purely for that reason).

@Dulle Hatred is FUN!

Is that a threat ? o.0 we are living in a free society and as I said : my personal opinion.
First of all : your comment has nothing to do with my comment. If you are a fanatic or something like that and you want to share your opinion, just share it but not on my comment because your ideas have nothing to do with my comment. I suggest you read carefully what I have written so you can understand it.
Second of all : missing ... Cheers ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:19 am

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I wouldn't say i HATE Christianity. I know a lot about the religion (the history, rituals, and beliefs) and I just don't believe in it, nor understand those who do.

I do agree with the "herd instinct" comment... especially in society today people grab onto what is the cool thing to do. If hating Christianity is cool, people will hate it.

Yes, exactly! The lack of faith must come from the inside, and not from the outside, from other people; mustn't be a "fashionable" thing to make you look cool and evil.
And the majority accepts the second version.

It seems you are the only one who understood my message. ^^ ( thank God someone did Shocked )
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:45 am

I can't say that I hate "christianity." Christianity itself is not inherently a bad thing, its based on good ideas. Its just that people decided to use it as a basis for a power structure, which entirely changed the face of it. It essentially bastardized everything that jesus taught. Jesus did not teach dogma, he taught that you should "Be Excellent To Each Other" regardless of other circumstances. He taught that you should give of yourself, and you shall recieve. That is what he taught, but when you try to use the bible as a basis for a power structure, you begin to loose the actual meanings of what jesus said, or you cannot focus on them, cause they arent beneficial to holding power. You have to instead focus on dogmatic elemnts, which jesus preached against using on others. That is why most people that ACTUALLY say they hate christianity say they hate it. They don't hate christianity, they hate the church as a power structure, which it is.

(don't get on me about the puncutation, its 3 in the morning here)
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:32 am

Exactly! ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:43 am

Thats why it bugs me when people say they hate christianity. Cause christianity isn't a dogma, its a way of life, a philosophy on life. Why people insist on hating something for what one group makes it, is absolutely stupid. Same goes for National Socialism. National Socialism is not racism, anti-semitism, or any other form of bigotry. It is an idea that you should care for your countrymen, because you have something in common, you live somewhere. Thats what national socialism is, but it was taken by the NAZI party in Germany and sold as this hate agenda, which is in all actuality isn't. Again, National Socialism isn't supposed to be a power structure, its supposed to be philosphy applied on small scales. It doesn't work though, because it then becomes a power structure, and the will of the leaders becomes law. Its the same with christianity. Any belief system is inherently pure (unless its a soley racist idea), but any belief system for common good is not corrupted, its people that make it corrupted. So if you are going to hate anyone, or anything, hate power. Power is the thing that makes noble belief systems become entitys which we hate.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:45 am

@Andreea I don't threaten people as a rule, if it came across that way it was not intended.

As I understand it you were saying that people hate Christianity because they think its cool and their friends do, with little to no understanding of what Christianity is or stands for(correct me if I am wrong).

I hate it for a variety of reasons mostly based on it being out of date, inconsistent with itself and having far too much power in the world for something so outdated, and being against some things I agree with. If people you know hate it for a fashon trend, that is unfortunate, but that doesnt mean that everyone does for that reason.

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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:36 am

What aspects are out of date particularly?
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:13 am

Laws in the old test. particularly slavery as an example, I can track down a pile of specific passages if you really want, but its 1pm where I am and I need sleep.

This is not a particular issue with christianity as such, more anything based on something written more than a few hundred years previous to the reader was written in a different social context, has different implied values, hasnt had a real opportunity to refute new developments (I guess catholics have the pope who sort of does though), Even if it was true in its time it becomes hard to extrapolate some things to the current state of the world, as the context is vastly different.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:54 pm

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@Andreea I don't threaten people as a rule, if it came across that way it was not intended.

As I understand it you were saying that people hate Christianity because they think its cool and their friends do, with little to no understanding of what Christianity is or stands for(correct me if I am wrong).

I hate it for a variety of reasons mostly based on it being out of date, inconsistent with itself and having far too much power in the world for something so outdated, and being against some things I agree with. If people you know hate it for a fashon trend, that is unfortunate, but that doesnt mean that everyone does for that reason.

Cheers : )

you are not a christian, are you ? o.0 So, you are trying to convince me that christianity is a bad thing right ? o.0
Well, to reply to your message: Yes, but read my other messages.Thanks! ^^
About power: politics was behind the religion thing. - everybody has this image about christianity
..being against something you like? o.0 such as ? Islam ? =)
where is the slavery in this century?
well... read my messages again and again and again.. you'll find there everything you need..i won't answer to you anymore until you understand my messages..I don't like to write something over and over again.
thanks! ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Believe In God   Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:03 pm

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Thats why it bugs me when people say they hate christianity. Cause christianity isn't a dogma, its a way of life, a philosophy on life. Why people insist on hating something for what one group makes it, is absolutely stupid. Same goes for National Socialism. National Socialism is not racism, anti-semitism, or any other form of bigotry. It is an idea that you should care for your countrymen, because you have something in common, you live somewhere. Thats what national socialism is, but it was taken by the NAZI party in Germany and sold as this hate agenda, which is in all actuality isn't. Again, National Socialism isn't supposed to be a power structure, its supposed to be philosphy applied on small scales. It doesn't work though, because it then becomes a power structure, and the will of the leaders becomes law. Its the same with christianity. Any belief system is inherently pure (unless its a soley racist idea), but any belief system for common good is not corrupted, its people that make it corrupted. So if you are going to hate anyone, or anything, hate power. Power is the thing that makes noble belief systems become entitys which we hate.

Yes, this is very true. Another example can be communism. The idea is quite good but you cannot apply it on a society exactly the way it is. And people now say that they hate communism when in fact the way leaders introduced it in the society was wrong, and not communism itself.
I must say it once again : the things you have just written are very very true and I am so happy for the fact that you think that way. Very happy about it! ^^
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